RE: Cichlids & Memes

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    The real paradise would be on an Earth free from all those pesky true
    believers. don't they realise that us atheists actually want the rapture to
    be real more than they do?!

    Are the Rapture lot still vociferous or have they gone a bit quiet since
    2000 came and went?


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    > From: Scott Chase
    > Reply To:
    > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:11 am
    > To:
    > Subject: RE: Cichlids & Memes
    > >From: "Wade T.Smith" <>
    > >Reply-To:
    > >To: "memetics list" <>
    > >Subject: RE: Cichlids & Memes
    > >Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:15:27 -0400
    > >
    > >On 09/10/01 07:59, Lawrence DeBivort said this-
    > >
    > > >I would also think that memeticists, if
    > > >anyone, would be generally predisposed to MR-type thinking (e.g. due to
    > >the
    > > >dissemination and latent survival of memes)
    > >
    > >The fact we all don't call our gods 'Zeus' (and have to turn to Disney
    > >movies) would tend, I think, to discourage even memeticists (a
    > >fuzzy-headed bunch sometimes, yes?) to predispose to such magical
    > >thinking.
    > >
    > >
    > I'd prefer Loki to Zeus, Ragnarok lover that I am.
    > I think, withhout as much venom, it would be important to understand
    > objectively what attracts people toward ideas such as MR, and how stuff
    > like
    > this makes it into the collective consciousness (whatever that is).
    > Now returning to Ragnarok, I've broken down and decided to listen to Tim
    > LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins _Left Behind_ on CD while in my car, an
    > eschatological work of fiction where the true-believers across the world
    > are
    > pulled up to heaven by God during the rapture and those "left behind"
    > (hence
    > the title) are left to deal with the aftermath. I'm immediately struck by
    > the theodicical implications of it all, where this rapture event winds up
    > leading to major havoc. One would think a benevolent deity would pull
    > people
    > away more surgically without horrid byproducts for the non-rapturees. So
    > far, its OK for fiction and interesting in an Omen-esque sort of way. More
    > fascinating would be the popularity the "Left Behind" series has. There's
    > also a movie out starring Kirk Cameron (of Growing Pains fame), which I'll
    > watch whenever I finish the CD "book" for comparison.
    > I don't know if I'll last through the whole "Left Behind" series, but I'll
    > try my best. LaHaye has a non-fictional ("spiritual") book out called
    > _Mind
    > Siege_ which has been released fairly recently.
    > On an unrelated note, I unfortunately took notice of a DVD movie called
    > _Faust_ when at the video store last night. Mephistopheles was a
    > character.
    > I was thinking "Oh they did a modern version of Goethe's classic, not
    > unlike
    > what they've done for Shakespeare". Goethe probably rolls in his grave
    > everytime that horrible "movie" is seen by an unsuspecting fool like me.
    > Can
    > we say '80's-style horror slasher movie replete with heavy metal
    > soundtrack?
    > At least some of the music was performed by Sepultura, a mild plus which
    > hardly made up for the script and gratuitous gore.
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