RE: Books please... (thank-you note)

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Date: Tue Sep 11 2001 - 09:27:54 BST

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            Hi Philip,

            <with reading the Meme-Machine having a high impact on me, and
    > this being also to reason for joining this group,
    > I'm curious to know what things you don't like about it.>
            It was a catalyst for me joining the group too, but discussions on
    this list have probably taken me away from Blackmore's position somewhat.

            The notion of culture evolving isn't the problem, the problems are
    both more generalised and more specific. One problem, which Blackmore notes
    as controversial, is her idea that human evolution has been memetically
    driven (brain size and all that). I don't think her arguments are
    empirically valid at this point.

            A larger problem is that she generally buys into the mind virus
    metaphor, which has been critiqued extensively- not to say it's been argued
    away, as plenty still support this, simply that it's problematic, and I
    personally no longer buy memes in minds, favouring what is usually linked
    most closely to Derek Gatherer's work in JOMEMIT (memes in artefacts, or are

            A substantial problem, though is Blackmore's largely Buddhist
    no-mind approach- memes are all bad, so it's better to be rid of them all
    (apart from Buddhism of course...).

            I don't think I'll mention the lengthy debate about her attitudes
    towards the utility of fax machines as that's more or less where we were at
    when I first joined the list 18 months or so ago.

            I'll expand on this if you like, but I thought I'd keep it brief.


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