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Hi Philip & Ted,
I think one straightforward environmental reason for the presumed lack of
war prior to 12,000 (I'll come back to the definitional problem of that in a
moment), has to do with how humans lived back then.
IIRC c12,000 years ago is about the time estimates suggest farming began.
Prior to farming there were only hunter-gatherers living in relatively small
bands, so the notion of war in hunter-gatherer terms probably would mean
little more that terratorial conflicts between small groups. Great apes
occasionally go on raiding parties to neighbouring troops (some have
suggested the parallels to war in those raids), so one might imagine raids
of one group on another, but nothing of the scale of war.
A few thousand years after farming appeared pretty sizeable conglomerations
of people had begun to emerge in the first cities, and here one has both
the critical mass of people, and probably the kind of resources that people
would fight in large numbers to take/protect, and as such war.
Of course, we need to define 'war' properly, and I suppose the presumption
being made is of large scale conflict, of mass battles of hundreds/thousands
of people. It is very unlikely given the small size of hunter-gatherer
groups that such things as war occured. But again, terratorial conflicts do
occur, must have occured, and occur in other species also.
Of course some, like Graham Hancock, would argue that there was a great
global civilisation c12,000 years ago that some call Atlantis (not Hancock
though), and maybe that's why there were no wars because it was a time of
great peace, blah, blah, blah....
But of course we don't take newage ideas seriously on this list.
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