RE: Cichlids & Memes

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Date: Mon Sep 10 2001 - 13:19:40 BST

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            Hi Kenneth,

            Welcome back,

            <Like I said, many times before, our views are clouded by what we
    > our views are clouded by what you and I have learned on school; what we
    > have seen on TV; what we have read in books.... which all are based
    > upon the same common belief that Darwin in all senses was and is right.
    > And Sheldrake, Dace and others, including myself, are saying, ok he
    > is ok, but not entirely right. And the contention is, and I agree is
    > proof.
    > But proving, convincing others would stay difficult because, if I may
    > express myself in this way, you and others lack the memetic capacity
    > to see things in a different light.>
            Come on Ken, that last sentence is a bit unfair. You know as well
    as any of the people who've been on this list a long time that all that is
    sought here for radical new ideas is evidence. Failure to see anything
    substantive in MR comes from a lack of evidence. Examples that Ted has
    offered have been argued away without good come backs from Ted (I see he's
    pushing the crossword puzzle thing again, despite never having answered
    whether the list of things that I came up with as possible factors that
    might influence differential results had been considered- some of which
    would be hard to control for). He's also, I believe in your absence, been
    shown to have selectively quoted and misunderstood works he's cited as part
    of his case. The more he's been pushed the more specious his arguments have
    become. Does that mean that natural selection is completely worked out,
    that there are no more questions to answer? Of course not, but the answers
    won't be found in mythological fields that are untestable and un-necessary.


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