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On 19 Aug 2001, at 13:42, Dace wrote:
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> > > > Elegant explanations are not always
> > > > correct; otherwise we would embrace the elegant yet Occam-
> > > > violating explanation of a Master Designer intentionally
> > > > sticking those clumsy thumbs on pandas.
> > >
> > > To reject the Blind Designer is not necessarily to accept the
> > > Master Designer. I reject all concepts of an independent design,
> > > whether theological or chromosomal.
> > >
> > Chromosomes are not independent of the life forms in which they are
> > found, but part of them, and found in every cell of every existent
> > plant and animal.
> If they contain a design of the body, then there's a separation
> between the design and its execution. This anthropormphizes life, as
> if it works the same way human technicians operate.
I see you did not take my advice to read Von Neumann's work on
self-reproducing automata, or you would not make such a bogus
claim. Part of the execution of the design found in the templates of
every cell is to create design templates in the cells that are
created; there is no sepatation of the dance of cell creation into
some anthropomorphized dancer; such a cartesian actor is not
required, as the blind chemical exigencies patterned in the
template are quite simply unconsciously followed in cell creation,
from messenger rna to amino acids to proteins all the way up the
> Designs are
> abstractions of the structures built according to them. Abstractions
> are a function of human consciousness. They don't belong in our
We abstract patterns and impose them on the world, and say that
there must have been another patterner, since we can see pattern
there. It's not true; it's the sams designer fallacy that leads gullible
people to suppose that there must be deities diong these things.
In a spatiotemporal universe with three perpendicuar dimensions,
one entropy-sanctioned temporal arrow and only five possible
perfect nonspherical solids (tetrahedron, cube, octahedron,
dodecahedron, icosahedron) which are in close mathematical
relation to each other, and on a planet with a particular mix of solid
under liquid under gas and with a specific constant gravitational
force and a specific cyclical intensity and spectrum of light and
composed of elemental building blocks with precise mathematical
relations to each other and connectable by precise and specific
bonds, the structure of the container has a lot to say about how the
contained may be configured, as do the contained's components
themselves. THIS is the gist of Brian Goodwin's work; obviously,
you have read into him more than you have read him.
> Sheldrake avoids this problem by asserting that an organism
> develops according to the body-plans of previous members of its
The body plans templated in the passed-on genes, dewde; that's
all that's necessary, and it's the only thing for which we have any
observable or scientifically credible mechanism WHATSOEVER.
Deal with it, and with your emotional memetic investment in a
pseudoscientific sham and folly.
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