RE: Logic

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            <In the physicalist model, memes must be transmitted to us
    externally from
    > other people. But memetics has always been more than just imitation.
    > Memes
    > spring up from within. If you're at a football game, and the home team
    > scores, when you rise to your feet, it's not because you feel like you
    > really
    > ought to do what everyone else is doing. It's because you're on the same
    > "wavelength" with the rest of the crowd. The meme in your head is simply
    > the particle aspect of the cultural morphic field embracing all the fans
    > in
    > the stadium.>
            What if it's the opposing team that scores? This is a spurious
    example that again needs no mad MR idea to explain it. Crowd behaviours,
    social psychology, not to mention individual emotional engagement with
    whatever sport is being played all feature in such behaviour.

            <Memes commonly spread without any possible mode of physical

            Well, this is one wing of the memetics community, but some argue
    that memes can_only_ transmit in physical forms, cultural artefacts
    (including things like, ooh... e-mails?).

            <For instance, not only agriculture but similar building designs
    > independently in several locations around the earth.>
            At very different times. One of the basic problems with the
    pyramids, instance is that Egyptian and Mayan pyramids emerged centuries
    apart (not to mention that they served completely different purposes- tombs
    for the former, and temples for the latter). And how come lots of other
    peoples around the world didn't start building pyramids? (never seen in
    Europe, or south of the Nubian versions in Africa, or in Asia etc.).

    > Morphogenic fields and resonance are just not needed in any way to
    > explain these kinds of things.

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