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> > > And btw where did the *first* termite mound come from (and the
> > first
> > > protein structures too)?
> > As you well know, they evolved from earlier, more primitive
> > structures.
> > The idea here, since you seem to need for it to be explained to
> > you, is that there cannot be morphic resonance across mutations
> > and transitions, since it, by definition, informs as to similarities,
> > differences. It's the same as the god argument (and who created
> > god?); if morphic resonance was unnecessary for the first termite
> > mounds ( or the first of anything), and it must have been since
> > such was not available then, how can it possibly be that it is
> > necessary for any successors, and if it is not, then why does
> > Occam's Razor not apply? Short answer; Occam's Razor DOES
> > apply, and it snips MR foolishness right off the skein.
> << This seems to be a logical conclusion !
> The problem with MR, as i see it, is that it seems to lack an '
> path where upon aspects of nature can walk.
> Sheldrake explains, ( I changed his words in order to fit yours),
> 1_ What determines the first mount !?
> Shel_ That can 't be explained, it is something what comes into being
> ex- hypothesi. It is something that can 't be repaeted because the first
> mount ever influences all of the next. What we see is the outcome of
> many trials.
> What, IMO means that Natural Selection as a concept just can be the
> last step known to us of a natural process where we never gonna see
> the beginning of.
> 2_ MR does not work on simimarity alone, though.
> Morphic fields work also with and upon systems with which they
> are connected. They lay down ' restrictions ' with a specific pattern
> upon possible outcomes of natural processes.
> What, IMO means that the very first mount, doesn 't have to be biased
> upon an earlier more equally system.
> Neighbouring systems could have helped to determine the very first.
> X and Y both MR fields of similarity " created " a new one Z which is the
> very first termite- mount.
> ( I am, because we are) U
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