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I wrote, you wrote,
> > > Memes are indeed, of course associated with thought and IMO we
> > > have to stop applying ' genetic- like ' explanations to describe the
> > > memes themselves and the processes where they are involved in.
> When he first coined the term, Dawkins located "memes" in the brain. If
> brain is reducible to genes, then memes are functions of genes. But if
> brain is informed by past, similar brains, then memes are patterns of
> neurotransmission that follow habitually from previous, similar patterns.
<< Right, genes makes genes; genes makes the structure of the brain and
therefor IYO, memes are functions of genes !?
Ok, I can go along whit that, but don 't forget, memes are now divided
into two different groups, L(ynch)- memes and G(atherer)- memes.
By which the L- memes count for the memes in mind, ( ideas) and the
G- memes count for behavior and artefacts ( the information which acts
upon us (from the environment/ external agency)).
G- memes are inbedded into almost everything around us ( that is my
view) and we with our brains draw information out of those artefacts,
which in a sense are products of L- memes, ( but not all).
And I don 't think your notion about neurotransmission can be correct,
because L- memes, partly, rely on information gathered from the envi-
ronment. L- and G- memes combine as a new meme which has no
previous and similar pattern to rely on. The mechanism of combination
could follow habitually previous and similar patterns to get the work
done., but the L/G meme cannot.
It is a new meme with a complete new niche or creode or lineage !!
( I am, because we are) just brains !!!
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