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> From: Dace <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > > << You see, you too stick to the view that genes control everything,
> > > epimemetic landscapes must be a function of the genes. Why !?
> > > Why can 't it be that epimemetic landscapes control in what way, to
> > > extend genes unfold themselves !?
> > I'm arguing that memes have no relation whatsoever to genes. Memes are
> > associated with thought. When enough people subscribe to a particular
> > belief, such as the notion that evolution is a product of changing
> > environmental conditions and random genetic mutation, then this belief
> > becomes part of our collective memory.
> Hi Dace,
> Yes, I too think that evolution must be viewed as a twofold process,
> where memes drives the genes these days.
> Memes are indeed, of course associated with thought and IMO we
> have to stop applying ' genetic- like ' explanations to describe the
> memes themselves and the processes where they are involved in.
> A better way to describe our ' collective memory ' would be to say
> that all our individualistic " beliefs " about a certain thing are so
> together that it would be difficult to seperate them.
> The One is equal to the Many and we see it as the Same.
> All the individualistic alternatives look alike and resembles.
> All the differencies all do resemble alike but may not be far out to
> eachother so that we can't seperate them in ' individalistic belief
> and the resemblance must be up that close so that we can see a col-
> lective image emerging.
> In a way the collective memory is everywhere and nowhere and each
> individual holds a piece.
> ( I am, because we are) for the quick return
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