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>From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be>
>Subject: Re: Logic
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:53:53 +0200
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>From: Dace <email@example.com
> > Mechanism is far more compatible with creationism than evolution. The
> > of evolution is that the species are not molded externally. Their forms
> > arise from within, over time. Darwin's genius was to salvage the
> > naturalizing him. Though God is blinded (and thus needs a lot longer to
> > create the forms of life) he still has two hands to work with-- the
> > hand of natural selection and the left hand of material spontaneity
> > random, genetic mutation). Like many powerful memes, God doesn't go
> > Darwinism is basically God in drag. Dress him up like Mother Nature and
> > then pretend we've gotten rid of him. As long as we accept external
> > creation-- whether supernatural or natural-- as opposed to
> > we're still in the thrall of Authority.
><< Very interesting point this !!
>Our forms arise from within, as in Bergsons ' le moi profond ', as the ' le
>Úlan vital ', as the " sentiment interieur ", as the " need/ urge by
>If so, I am all ears !!!
>In a way you dismiss the concept of Darwin because it acts as an outside
>creation- force !? Ok, very well put.
>Self- creation would than be the result of memes, the result of our
>behavior !? I am still listening !!
>Please eleborate this, in detail, further.
>I am very interested in what you have to say about this.
>Maybe we can help eachother,....
> > When our hominid ancestors developed a method of scavenging for meat in
> > hottest part of the day (after most animals have retreated to the shade)
> > they soon began developing sweat glands and losing their hair. The
> > phylogenetic shift occurred in tandem with the behavioral shift. This
> > the norm, and it suggests that our own actions help determine our
> > We shape ourselves.
><< Yes, I have heard the same argument not so long ago.
>Geological, Natural evolution is a driving force behind the way Nature
>makes natural selection possible, and the second form of evolution would
>be the flexible way in which we adapt to those changes.
>In return we shape lineages and niches for geological changes to occur and
>in that sense we create a world for ourselves.
>If we'd had to wait around for a couple million years
> > for a random mutation to give us the necessary glands under our skin,
> > still be waiting. Since we can't pass on acquired characteristics
> > to our offspring, there must be a kind of nonmaterial, species memory
> > evolves in accord with the shifting behavior of individual organisms.
><< That kind of " nonmaterial, species " bounded memory, would that be
>the memepool !? How do you see the way by which we can dive into it,
>that is, how do we attract info from it !?
>I ' ve got an idea about that, but I like to hear yours first, if you don
>No hidden agenda, though !!
Ummm..., if memory serves me right you probably might know what Dace is
hinting at with the non-material memory. Or would you noet? Think resonance
and psychic pets.
I would humbly cordon off Dawkinsian memes (and Teilhardian/Huxleyian
noogenetics) from such notions, though mnemically inclined as they are.
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