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>From: "Dace" <email@example.com>
>Subject: Re: Logic
>Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:52:30 -0700
> > Dawkins' 'The Blind Watchmaker' takes this as its central idea, that
> > creationists assume the evolution requires a designer, requires someone
> > set the process going. He refutes it ably and in a lot of detail.
>Machines are made by intelligent beings. Why wouldn't this also be the
>for bio-machines? And who else besides the cosmic mechanic would be
>responsible for crafting the various models of life? Creationism is the
>original form of mechanistic philosophy, and it remains the strong form.
>Neo-Darwinism is the result of severe compromises with the necessities of
>evolution, and the resulting mountain of improbabilities makes it the weak
>form of the theory. As long as mechanism is the only show in town,
>creationism will be the logical choice. This doesn't make it true, of
>course. Both forms of the theory are false.
> > I'm curious here, are you suggesting that creationism is more plausible
> > evolution, or simply that a mechanistic description of evolution is no
> > plausible than creationism?
>Mechanism is far more compatible with creationism than evolution. The
>of evolution is that the species are not molded externally. Their forms
>arise from within, over time. Darwin's genius was to salvage the Creator
>naturalizing him. Though God is blinded (and thus needs a lot longer to
>create the forms of life) he still has two hands to work with-- the right
>hand of natural selection and the left hand of material spontaneity (i.e.
>random, genetic mutation). Like many powerful memes, God doesn't go
>Darwinism is basically God in drag. Dress him up like Mother Nature and
>then pretend we've gotten rid of him. As long as we accept external
>creation-- whether supernatural or natural-- as opposed to self-creation,
>we're still in the thrall of Authority.
> > What view of evolution, in your view, is plausible?
>When our hominid ancestors developed a method of scavenging for meat in the
>hottest part of the day (after most animals have retreated to the shade)
>they soon began developing sweat glands and losing their hair. The
>phylogenetic shift occurred in tandem with the behavioral shift. This is
>the norm, and it suggests that our own actions help determine our
>We shape ourselves. If we'd had to wait around for a couple million years
>for a random mutation to give us the necessary glands under our skin, we'd
>still be waiting. Since we can't pass on acquired characteristics directly
>to our offspring, there must be a kind of nonmaterial, species memory which
>evolves in accord with the shifting behavior of individual organisms. This
>is akin to Aristotle's notion that the form of the organism is determined
>the species, not through machine-like processes arising from the nuclei of
Are you familiar with Rupert Sheldrake? It sounds like you are hinting at
morphic resonance and formative causation.
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