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I don't want to sound 'le franšais pretentieux', but I can -not easily I
admit - imagine a time before the laws existed, or a non-time before time.
Things become universal once nobody sane dares to deny them. A set of memes
which can enforce its detractors being called insane and not believd or
listened to, becomes so dominant that you can name it Universal.
I have my own set of laws :
1. A can be where nothing was. (Emergence)
2. A and non-A cannot be at the same time (Choice)
3. There is always a relation between A and B (Relation)
4. if A was, A can be again. (Memory)
If you have these four, you have made a world.
Bonne nuit, ou bonjour, ou bonsoir, selon l'heure !
A bientot sur / see you soon on
Tell your friends / parlez-en Ó vos amis
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: Logic
> On 23 Jul 2001, at 0:17, Dace wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pascal Jouxtel"
> > > Logic is one of those memeplexes so powerful that they have become
> > > absolutely dominant; dominant to such an extent that the very stuff
> > > of our thoughts relies on it, and that we don't even see them
> > > anymore.
> > To say there's a meme for being logical is like saying there's a gene
> > for being alive. Logic is an expression of something more fundamental
> > than human culture. When humans are logical, it's no different than
> > nature being natural or animals being animated. Logic doesn't have to
> > selfishly propagate its own kind at the expense of all competitors.
> > It follows by necessity in the context of abstract intelligence.
> Logic is simply a distillation of perception; in fact, the four laws of
> thought are abstracted from presence to perception, i.e., 1) If A
> then A (if it's (the object of perception) present, then it's present),
> 2) If Not-A, then Not-A (if it's absent, then it's absent), 3) Either A
> or Not-A (either it's present or it's absent) and 4) Not both A and
> Not-A (it can't be simultaneously present and absent. If such rules
> are memes, then they're Universal ones.
> > > I suppose the same could be said of other memeplexes like the Self,
> > > and
> > also
> > > like another one almost invisible, which I should call 'the
> > > existence and unicity of reality'.
> > The "self" is shorthand for self-existence. Organisms exist
> > intrinsically. This is in contrast to purely physical objects, which
> > exist only in relation to their parts, to other objects, to the forces
> > acting on them, etc. To exist in relation to oneself is to be
> > singular and whole.
> It is tautological, but nonetheless (and actually a forteriori) true,
> that to be self-conscious is to be conscious of a self. Recursivity
> in a perceptual entity mandates such self-conscious awareness.
> > Regards,
> > Ted Dace
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