Re: Logic

From: Pascal Jouxtel (pascal@contagions.com)
Date: Tue Jul 24 2001 - 23:02:00 BST

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    I don't want to sound 'le franšais pretentieux', but I can -not easily I
    admit - imagine a time before the laws existed, or a non-time before time.
    Things become universal once nobody sane dares to deny them. A set of memes
    which can enforce its detractors being called insane and not believd or
    listened to, becomes so dominant that you can name it Universal.

    I have my own set of laws :
    1. A can be where nothing was. (Emergence)
    2. A and non-A cannot be at the same time (Choice)
    3. There is always a relation between A and B (Relation)
    4. if A was, A can be again. (Memory)

    If you have these four, you have made a world.

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: <joedees@bellsouth.net>
    To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:20 AM
    Subject: Re: Logic

    > On 23 Jul 2001, at 0:17, Dace wrote:
    >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Pascal Jouxtel"
    > >
    > > > Logic is one of those memeplexes so powerful that they have become
    > > > absolutely dominant; dominant to such an extent that the very stuff
    > > > of our thoughts relies on it, and that we don't even see them
    > > > anymore.
    > >
    > > To say there's a meme for being logical is like saying there's a gene
    > > for being alive. Logic is an expression of something more fundamental
    > > than human culture. When humans are logical, it's no different than
    > > nature being natural or animals being animated. Logic doesn't have to
    > > selfishly propagate its own kind at the expense of all competitors.
    > > It follows by necessity in the context of abstract intelligence.
    > >
    > Logic is simply a distillation of perception; in fact, the four laws of
    > thought are abstracted from presence to perception, i.e., 1) If A
    > then A (if it's (the object of perception) present, then it's present),
    > 2) If Not-A, then Not-A (if it's absent, then it's absent), 3) Either A
    > or Not-A (either it's present or it's absent) and 4) Not both A and
    > Not-A (it can't be simultaneously present and absent. If such rules
    > are memes, then they're Universal ones.
    > >
    > > > I suppose the same could be said of other memeplexes like the Self,
    > > > and
    > > also
    > > > like another one almost invisible, which I should call 'the
    > > > existence and unicity of reality'.
    > >
    > > The "self" is shorthand for self-existence. Organisms exist
    > > intrinsically. This is in contrast to purely physical objects, which
    > > exist only in relation to their parts, to other objects, to the forces
    > > acting on them, etc. To exist in relation to oneself is to be
    > > singular and whole.
    > >
    > It is tautological, but nonetheless (and actually a forteriori) true,
    > that to be self-conscious is to be conscious of a self. Recursivity
    > in a perceptual entity mandates such self-conscious awareness.
    > >
    > > Regards,
    > > Ted Dace
    > >
    > >
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