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On 23 Jul 2001, at 0:17, Dace wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pascal Jouxtel"
> > Logic is one of those memeplexes so powerful that they have become
> > absolutely dominant; dominant to such an extent that the very stuff
> > of our thoughts relies on it, and that we don't even see them
> > anymore.
> To say there's a meme for being logical is like saying there's a gene
> for being alive. Logic is an expression of something more fundamental
> than human culture. When humans are logical, it's no different than
> nature being natural or animals being animated. Logic doesn't have to
> selfishly propagate its own kind at the expense of all competitors.
> It follows by necessity in the context of abstract intelligence.
Logic is simply a distillation of perception; in fact, the four laws of
thought are abstracted from presence to perception, i.e., 1) If A
then A (if it's (the object of perception) present, then it's present),
2) If Not-A, then Not-A (if it's absent, then it's absent), 3) Either A
or Not-A (either it's present or it's absent) and 4) Not both A and
Not-A (it can't be simultaneously present and absent. If such rules
are memes, then they're Universal ones.
> > I suppose the same could be said of other memeplexes like the Self,
> > and
> > like another one almost invisible, which I should call 'the
> > existence and unicity of reality'.
> The "self" is shorthand for self-existence. Organisms exist
> intrinsically. This is in contrast to purely physical objects, which
> exist only in relation to their parts, to other objects, to the forces
> acting on them, etc. To exist in relation to oneself is to be
> singular and whole.
It is tautological, but nonetheless (and actually a forteriori) true,
that to be self-conscious is to be conscious of a self. Recursivity
in a perceptual entity mandates such self-conscious awareness.
> Ted Dace
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