Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id TAA09126 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:11:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c10715$749f7740$2aa2bed4@default> From: "Kenneth Van Oost" <Kenneth.Van.Oost@village.uunet.be> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> References: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745F5D@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Subject: Re: sexual selection and memes Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:33:26 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-RBL-Warning: (orbs.dorkslayers.com) 22.214.171.124 is listed by dorkslayers.com Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > < Same argument here, though !
> > Does he have to find, to know for that matter those individuals to make
> > sure that his teachings did make it with time !?
> > If he, for example should look at some of our societies and to what kind
> > of laws we have, he should know that justice, equality, compassion
> > and far more greater social structures find there bias in his teachings.
> > If he should look at the " collective structures " he would find that
> > legacy is still alive.>
> Perhaps, but with 2000 years worth of tranformation perhaps other
> faiths may now be closer to what he originally intended. Would Jesus like
> Women priests, or being pro-choice- or for that matter being
> anti-contraception and pro-life? I'm not sure it's easy to work out what
> Jesus really thought, which maybe part of the reason he persists in his
<< Of course and I agree !!
History made a real mess about his teachings, not in the least adjusted
them to its own likings.
What he really thought would indeed not be easy to work out, but as
far i can recall, the latest hypothesis, but by far the most controversive,
is that Jesus was a member of the Cumran community.
A gnostic club of men ( and I believe woman/ chilren were part of it
tto but lived in another corner of the settlement) who believed that a
king would return and set them free.
The popular version of the facts telles us than the Qumran- community
staged the whole thing themselves, and by doing that accomplished
mainly two things,
1_ getting the other Jews fight for their cause
2_ getting the Romans angry.
Both were neither seen as a bias for a new religion, though and neither
both workd out as planned.
Christianity was never Jesus' goal. Christianity is something of a later
For all what matters, if jesus' thoughts were those as being the ones we
could extract of what we know about Qumran and the way they lived
there ( the Death- Sea- Roles are part of their legacy, in a way) even
the Pope would have to admit that Jesus was nothing more than a com-
mon guerrillia fighter, but one with a wonderful idea !!
I can tell you another tale about what Christianity really is, but that is
maybe for a later date and not relevent here.
But if you are interested !?
( I am, because we are) not so very original
This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Sat Jul 07 2001 - 19:18:44 BST