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> > < Same argument here, though !
> > Does he have to find, to know for that matter those individuals to make
> > sure that his teachings did make it with time !?
> > If he, for example should look at some of our societies and to what kind
> > of laws we have, he should know that justice, equality, compassion
> > and far more greater social structures find there bias in his teachings.
> > If he should look at the " collective structures " he would find that
> > legacy is still alive.>
> Perhaps, but with 2000 years worth of tranformation perhaps other
> faiths may now be closer to what he originally intended. Would Jesus like
> Women priests, or being pro-choice- or for that matter being
> anti-contraception and pro-life? I'm not sure it's easy to work out what
> Jesus really thought, which maybe part of the reason he persists in his
<< Of course and I agree !!
History made a real mess about his teachings, not in the least adjusted
them to its own likings.
What he really thought would indeed not be easy to work out, but as
far i can recall, the latest hypothesis, but by far the most controversive,
is that Jesus was a member of the Cumran community.
A gnostic club of men ( and I believe woman/ chilren were part of it
tto but lived in another corner of the settlement) who believed that a
king would return and set them free.
The popular version of the facts telles us than the Qumran- community
staged the whole thing themselves, and by doing that accomplished
mainly two things,
1_ getting the other Jews fight for their cause
2_ getting the Romans angry.
Both were neither seen as a bias for a new religion, though and neither
both workd out as planned.
Christianity was never Jesus' goal. Christianity is something of a later
For all what matters, if jesus' thoughts were those as being the ones we
could extract of what we know about Qumran and the way they lived
there ( the Death- Sea- Roles are part of their legacy, in a way) even
the Pope would have to admit that Jesus was nothing more than a com-
mon guerrillia fighter, but one with a wonderful idea !!
I can tell you another tale about what Christianity really is, but that is
maybe for a later date and not relevent here.
But if you are interested !?
( I am, because we are) not so very original
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