Re: sexual selection and memes

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    Hi Vincent,
    You wrote,

    This is an interesting idea, since I'm not sure it's right. It
    seems to me that one of the problems with memetics is the fidelity question.
    Like games of chinese whispers, cultural transmission can become
    extraordinarily distorted over time, so I don't know about efficiency.

    << Maybe in order to know its efficiency you have to look for the
    " collective stream" , the overall stream of data and not look at the
    individual distortion which seems to pop up very easily !?

    One of the paradoxical things about religions, it seems to me, is that one
    one hand they arguably have clear memetic components, but on the other the
    complexities of their rituals would tend against their successful
    transmission. As I'm sure has been remarked before, would Jesus on his
    return recognise those people who call themselves 'Christians' to be related
    to his teachings?

    << Same argument here, though !
    Does he have to find, to know for that matter those individuals to make
    sure that his teachings did make it with time !?
    If he, for example should look at some of our societies and to what kind
    of laws we have, he should know that justice, equality, compassion
    and far more greater social structures find there bias in his teachings.
    If he should look at the " collective structures " he would find that his
    legacy is still alive.

    What about the notion that a lot of cultural behaviours that don 't
    make much sense in terms of survival utility ( hence something else must be
    going on hence memes) may be explainable in terms of sexual selection ?

    << To comment this, Vincent I would like to ask you a question_
    what about the notion that more feminized behavior in men is poppin' up !?
    Would that be a cultural behavior in sense of survival utility or would it
    explainable in terms of sexual selection !?
    IMO_ it is a genetic drift towards ' womanizing ' and therefor terms of
    sexual selection are more approiate or useful than terms of cultural be-
    I don 't see to which extend blokes will intentionaly tend to have more
    feminized behaviorcharacteristics if not for sexual purposes !?
    But I agree, cultural tendencies are involved_ remerber, most females
    like a tender, carrying man above a macho- bloke.
    (What in a sense could be just another meme though,....)

    Best regards,


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