Re: sexual selection and memes

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    From: Chris Taylor <>
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    Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 5:35 PM
    Subject: Re: sexual selection and memes

    What this amounts to is 'good memes'
    sexual selection. This is a version of the classic 'good genes' reason
    for sexual selection (my bright orange arse indicates I'm carrying high
    fitness alleles); but in this case, the badge indicates that the
    potential father has experienced extensive paternal care as a young
    bird, and will therefore repeat this learned behaviour when it is itself
    a parent. However apart from the ability to display this phenotypic
    plasticity, no actual genes are being selected for here, even though
    this is undeniably sexual selection.

    Hi Chris,

    Just in addition to what I posted yesterday and to what you have written

    IMO it could work the other way round too.
    If for example, a boy and a girl meet, both with no parental investment
    whatsoever in getting them a sexual education, the results are quit
    frightening at the least.
    ' Good genes ' for sexual selection are overpowered by the ' prime instinct
    of several other genes and behaviors.
    The results of such a " dis- ability " are extensive over- reactions and
    sometimes violent behavior.

    In a practical way, we had to ' cool ' down the boy and had to give both
    the prime directives about sexual behavior between man and woman.

    On some of the other points raised,

    In cases like above you see how strong cultural transmissions can be.
    In Belgium, here, still sexual education and sexuality per se are some
    kind of taboos. The results of not persuing horizontal transmission, that
    is widespread education and information about the subjects, are keeping
    alive IMO deadly vertical transmissions, whereby not only young lives
    are getting destroyed but whereby memetic routes of transmission are
    frozen in time.
    Behaviors are here selected where they ought to be not.
    Not to mention the judicial problems if anything goes really wrong,....



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