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Subject: Re: The Guardian on Information
> On 22 Jun 2001, at 20:48, Robin Faichney wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:28:33AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> > > On 06/21/01 14:53, Robin Faichney said this-
> > Think "structure". Information theory in physics is the treatment of
> > structure as an element in itself.
> What is necessary is matter and energy in pattern, structure or
> configuration. Awarenesses become informed concerning such
> patterns, structures or configurations, and their attributes, via
> perception and/or cognition. Information cannot precede
> awareness, for it is necessary for an awareness to become
> informed concerning a configuration, for information, a
> communication of configuration to an awareness via perception, to
<< Wouldn 't it than not be better to use ' experience ' instead of
information or structure !?
Experience includes a sort of information which precedes awareness.
If we take Nature as an example, before we ever existed Nature experien-
ced a great deal. That is indeed no information as you suggested because
it is indeed necessary that anyone did observed it.
Awareness, IMO, seems to come ' after ' experience.
First experience than awareness through the trial and error of that
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