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On 22 Jun 2001, at 20:48, Robin Faichney wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:28:33AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> > On 06/21/01 14:53, Robin Faichney said this-
> > >Here's a quote from it:
> > Here's another-
> > >Differentiation came into the universe, creating a pattern that
> > >required information.
> > How anything, at all, ever, could 'require' information, is beyond
> > me.
> I suspect that particular writer has an imperfect understanding of the
> issue. The pattern _is_ the information. Or, at least, the pattern
> requires the concept of information for it to be fully understood.
> > What patterns _are_ created through the elemental and primal forces
> > of the big bang, by definition, can be analyzed to _provide_
> > information (to information-using entities), but the processes of
> > this creation and even the patterns themselves in no way _require_
> > any information.
> > Perhaps I'm lost, but this classification of information as a
> > necessary and sufficient property of the universe seems specious to
> > me.
> Think "structure". Information theory in physics is the treatment of
> structure as an element in itself.
What is necessary is matter and energy in pattern, structure or
configuration. Awarenesses become informed concerning such
patterns, structures or configurations, and their attributes, via
perception and/or cognition. Information cannot precede
awareness, for it is necessary for an awareness to become
informed concerning a configuration, for information, a
communication of configuration to an awareness via perception, to
> Robin Faichney
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