Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id UAA11134 (8.6.9/5.3[ref email@example.com] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from firstname.lastname@example.org); Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:53:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:48:15 +0100 To: email@example.com Subject: Re: The Guardian on Information Message-ID: <20010622204815.A685@ii01.org> References: <20010622142844.AAA24323@firstname.lastname@example.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i In-Reply-To: <20010622142844.AAA24323@email@example.com>; from firstname.lastname@example.org on Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:28:33AM -0400 From: Robin Faichney <email@example.com> X-RBL-Warning: (orbs.dorkslayers.com) 22.214.171.124 is listed by dorkslayers.com Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com
On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:28:33AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
> On 06/21/01 14:53, Robin Faichney said this-
> >Here's a quote from it:
> Here's another-
> >Differentiation came into the universe, creating a pattern that
> >required information.
> How anything, at all, ever, could 'require' information, is beyond me.
I suspect that particular writer has an imperfect understanding of the
issue. The pattern _is_ the information. Or, at least, the pattern
requires the concept of information for it to be fully understood.
> What patterns _are_ created through the elemental and primal forces of
> the big bang, by definition, can be analyzed to _provide_ information (to
> information-using entities), but the processes of this creation and even
> the patterns themselves in no way _require_ any information.
> Perhaps I'm lost, but this classification of information as a necessary
> and sufficient property of the universe seems specious to me.
Think "structure". Information theory in physics is the treatment of
structure as an element in itself.
-- Robin Faichney Inside Information -- http://www.ii01.org -- "a prime source of meta-memes"
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