Re: The Guardian on Information

From: Robin Faichney (
Date: Fri Jun 22 2001 - 20:48:15 BST

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    On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 10:28:33AM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
    > On 06/21/01 14:53, Robin Faichney said this-
    > >Here's a quote from it:
    > Here's another-
    > >Differentiation came into the universe, creating a pattern that
    > >required information.
    > How anything, at all, ever, could 'require' information, is beyond me.

    I suspect that particular writer has an imperfect understanding of the
    issue. The pattern _is_ the information. Or, at least, the pattern
    requires the concept of information for it to be fully understood.

    > What patterns _are_ created through the elemental and primal forces of
    > the big bang, by definition, can be analyzed to _provide_ information (to
    > information-using entities), but the processes of this creation and even
    > the patterns themselves in no way _require_ any information.
    > Perhaps I'm lost, but this classification of information as a necessary
    > and sufficient property of the universe seems specious to me.

    Think "structure". Information theory in physics is the treatment of
    structure as an element in itself.

    Robin Faichney
    Inside Information -- -- "a prime source of meta-memes"

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