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The trouble is that people who believe themselves to be martyrs are rarely
defined that way by others- do most Americans tink of Tim McVeigh as a
martyr (which is clearly why he was happy to be executed)? True martyrs are
those who die in an apparently selfless manner- they are thinking of others
not themselves, and thus martyrdom is bestowed upon them by their survivors
(e.g. Joan of Arc I suppose).
Is martyrdom copied/imitated? Surely it would need to be in order to be
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> This line of thought considering martyrdom makes me wonder about what we
> might think of as the symbiotic relationships between emotional states
> memeplexes. For instance certain categories of memes may have evolved in
> context of triggering certain emotional states that serve the memes'
> competition for mind space. The extreme emotional state of a martyr is
> probably consciously expereinced in the context of a community (either
> physical or metaphysical) of which the martyr is a part. My guess is that
> taps in to some hardwiring that is associated with parental protection of
> offspring, even at their own expense. The parents sense of "self" is
> to the offspring so that self destruction to insure the survival of the
> offspring works. It could be that this parental programing around this
> extended sense of self is expanded to a even larger sense of self that is
> associated with a community with which they profoundly identify. And
> superordinant to the biology all of this is actually inservice to
> preservation of memeplexes.
> This line of thought also lead me to wonder is there is a category of
> that might be considered "memeplex busters". Something akin to lightening
> that starts forest fires that are a part of an evolving biome.
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