Re: The Culture War Against Kids

From: Pascal Jouxtel (pascal.jouxtel@wanadoo.fr)
Date: Sat Jun 16 2001 - 09:16:38 BST

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    Those of you who read french a little bit will be interested in taking part
    in this on-line experiment about the diverging evolutions of smoking and
    non-smoking memesets.

    the link is http://www.contagions.com/LABORYNT/Duo.html

    You are most welcome.
    Pascal

    A bientot sur / see you soon on
    www.contagions.com
    Tell your friends / parlez-en vos amis
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    From: "Scott Chase" <ecphoric@hotmail.com>
    To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk>
    Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:39 AM
    Subject: Re: The Culture War Against Kids

    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >From: Chris Taylor <Christopher.Taylor@man.ac.uk>
    > >Reply-To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >To: memetics@mmu.ac.uk
    > >Subject: Re: The Culture War Against Kids
    > >Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 15:35:26 +0100
    > >
    > > > If i read it right it says that smoking goes up in teen-age groups if
    > > > advertisement goes down. Why would that be? Would be a good
    > > > memetic issue to study,
    > >
    > >If fitness were inversely proportional to representation in ads, it
    > >could be because the most important aspect of anything for most kids is
    > >whether it can be said to be conforming to a norm (bad).
    > >
    > >If drugs were the norm, straight kids would be the rebels...
    > >
    > >
    > What if rebellion were a norm? It is the paradox of non-conformity that
    > non-conformists are conforming to a different set of norms. I recall
    seeing
    > lots of "Question Authority" bumper stickers back in the early 90's. There
    > were also those types who wore Doc Marten boots and listened to industrial
    > music because they ain't like everyone else, except that everyone else was
    > also wearing said boots and listening to said music and possibly dying
    their
    > hair the same color(s).
    >
    > Non-conformity to the norm of meat-eating and animal exploitation results
    in
    > a new norm of bunny hugging, replete with PETA activist mores and vegan
    > diets.
    >
    > I don't know if watching "Grease" in my youth has biased my view of the
    > 50's. Maybe "Happy Days" did its fair share too, but I think of the
    leather
    > jackets of Fonzie and all them being "cool". Yet in bucking the norm of
    the
    > "squares" these "rebels without a clue" fell onto the stereotypical
    leather
    > jacket, slick hair and denim I tend to associate with the 50's.
    >
    > I don't remember where I was going with this tangent. Oh well.
    >
    > Maybe seeing smoking ads legitimizes smoking and the cool thing to do
    would
    > be buck the trend and not smoke when inundated with smoking ads. Maybe all
    > the flack about smoking in the recent past (the whole Joe Camel hating
    media
    > sterilization movement) could result in the unintended increase in smoking
    > because its bucking the "politically correct" establishment. Maybe a
    simple
    > association between smoking and advertisement (eaither positive or
    negative)
    > cannot be fathomed from the complex abyss of reality.
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