Re: Information

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    On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 02:37:01PM -0400, Wade T.Smith wrote:
    > On 05/02/01 12:54, Robin Faichney said this-
    > >> Information about something is hardly relevant _until_ it _can_ be used,
    > >> and for all purposes and intent, has no existence until it _is_ used.
    > >
    > >So you agree with Joe that unapprehended things cannot be said to exist?
    > >This is more like philosophical idealism than scientific rationalism.
    > I agree that until the information is _derived_ from whatever system that
    > process is resident within, it is without value and irrelevant.
    > That is far from saying it is not there.

    Read this quote from the same article then tell me again that
    intrinsic information (J) is "without value and irrelevant".

            Frieden and colleagues... have been steadily working their way
            through physics, showing that all of its laws are the result of
            a kind of cosmic game between ourselves and the "real" world. To
            derive each law--or, more accurately, each Lagrangian--we have
            to ask an incredibly simple yet fundamental question, such as
            "what is the precise location of a particle in space and time?"

            Any attempt to answer such questions requires the same two
            quantities: the information that exists in any given thing
            or system, J, and the information we can acquire, I. Frieden
            has developed methods of calculating both for a wide range of
            phenomena in physics. Subtracting J from I then leads straight
            to the appropriate Lagrangian, and when this is made as small
            as possible, the appropriate law of physics "emerges".

    Robin Faichney
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