Re: Information

From: Robin Faichney (
Date: Wed May 02 2001 - 13:52:05 BST

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    On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 06:27:19PM -0700, TJ Olney wrote:
    > Information is a system phenomenon dealing with difference.

    Information is whatever we use the word to refer to. To be dogmatic
    about definitions is futile.

    > Shannon-Weaver
    > type "information" is sometimes information, sometimes not.

    You mean that usage sometimes conforms to your prefered usage, sometimes

    > It is
    > unfortunately another "logical type" problem to consider states as
    > information without reference to something for which the state makes a
    > difference.

    I don't know what you mean by "'logical type' problem", but the utility
    of using "information" more widely than that is very clear if you look
    into it. Or consider this: does any material thing not inform anyone
    who studies it? It does not refer to anything other than itself,
    but it is the absolute ultimate authority on itself. This view is
    the basis of Roy Frieden's work as mentioned in the message I sent
    earlier today. And there are other reasons for considering material
    structure as information -- ask any physicist. Yes, this is different
    from the more common concept, but the similarities are so important that
    any risk of confusion is far outweighed. There is more on this on my
    webpages "Physical Information" and
    "Psychological Information"

    Robin Faichney
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