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    --- "Wade T.Smith" <> wrote:

    > Except that I'm not looking to make interpretations, (and I deny that
    > I'm
    > supplying any). I'm looking to clarify terms. The fact that none of
    > the
    > definitions offered from any of the sources would satisfy the
    > 'computer
    > program equals a pattern' statement is sufficient for me to look at
    > Robin's meaning of 'pattern' as idiosyncratic, and to look from
    > another
    > perspective, or to find another word, or to refine that equation
    > further.

    Ah...OK. So what is your take?

    > Right now, perhaps, some computer programs can show a pattern of
    > ineptitude, and may have patterned elements as part of their makeup,
    > or
    > may produce patterns from their operation, but, simply calling a
    > computer
    > program a pattern is insufficient.

    Hmm...I still fail to see the significant distinction between the word
    "algorithm" (a procedure used to solve a problem)and pattern (for
    solving the problem)(in your own words, "A plan, diagram, or model to
    be followed in making things.").
    And as far as I know, algorithms can be (and are) portrayed as patterns
    of relations between sets, fields, objects, etc.. of the computer
    Even if you look on the lowest level, you can find patterns of
    repetition in the way data is stored in computers, and since all the
    programs are basicaly stored in the same way (as 1 and 0 patterns in
    registers), you can easily call algorithm a meta-pattern of lower level
    patterns. Again, a pattern...
    Am I missing something here?

    > In much the same way calling one grain a pattern of the tipping point
    > is.
    > The grains are patterned elements of the mound, and geometrically
    > will be
    > arranged in a three dimensional pattern, and repeating the experiment
    > of
    > building the mound until avalanche will provide a pattern of data,
    > but,
    > otherwise, no, I see no equality whatsoever between any of the
    > dictionary
    > definitions of pattern and the term 'algorithm' (although, nicely,
    > rhythm
    > is a pattern...), or 'computer program'.

    1's and 0's of the computer program are not patterns themselves (OK, if
    you go down to the force levels, then yes, they are a pattern in a
    specific EM force field, but whatever, that is just being nitpicky),
    but the way they are arranged is a pattern. And higher level orderings
    of those patterns can also be called patterns. (dictionary meaning 5. A
    consistent, characteristic form, style, or method, as: a. A composite
    of traits or features characteristic of an individual or a group.(this
    is from your own dictionary))
    > There's at least one adjective missing.
    > - Wade
    Which one?

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