Re: The Status of Memetics as a Science

From: Kenneth Van Oost (
Date: Wed Apr 25 2001 - 21:46:38 BST

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    From: TJ Olney <>
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    Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 8:56 PM
    Subject: RE: The Status of Memetics as a Science

    > On Sun, 22 Apr 2001, Scott Chase wrote:
    > > Is marketing, sales, promotion, propaganda, advertizing or whatver
    > > going to become even more virulent due to the presence of the concept of
    > > memetics? People have been doing those sorts of things for years sans
    > > "memetic engineering". I fail to see any ethical crisis

    Hi Scott,

    << The difference is that Memetic Engineering goes deeper, works deeper
    than the ususal propaganda and advertising processes.
    Where propaganda and advertising processes come up with memes to
    buy their products and/ or to act in a certain way, let memetic engineering
    memes on the loose which are very potent and the " creatives " know
    that they are !!
    Memetic engineering is like brainwashing, but in a ' gente way ' if I may
    use that expression.
    Memetic engineering works along those ways by which you will stand
    open for those memes.
    Propaganda and advertising works without those ways. Memetic engi-
    neering is a complex of engineered processes which straiten out the ways
    for what is yet to come.
    Memetic engineering disposes of those memes which stand in the way of
    those memes yet to come. They " smooth " the way in a sense.

    That is of course one way, the other is to provide a framework wherein
    people get supplied with info which is relevant to them, a kind of learning
    machine, to let them know what is good for them, but either way,
    notions like free will, personality, genetics, memetic make- up are put in
    the balance, let alone who are we to decide what is " good " and what not!



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