Re: The Status of Memetics as a Science

From: Trupeljak Ozren (
Date: Wed Apr 25 2001 - 08:55:04 BST

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    --- "Wade T.Smith" <> wrote:
    > On 04/24/01 01:27, Trupeljak Ozren said this-
    > >certain limits on your perception.
    > >(the above mentioned "rules" of the same)
    > Ah, you meant 'limits'. Yes, of course, this human shell has limits.
    > The 'rules' of evolution, I suppose.

    Oh, and perceptual biases of culture do not actually enter into the
    equation at all? If you are raised as a believer, everything that you
    perceive is going to be colored by that belief. Whether it is atheism
    or something more organised (some religion I suppose).

    > I am very aware of them. I like to ignore them, as much as possible,
    > for
    > the acquisition of data. We have perceptual tools far more accurate
    > and
    > much less limited.

    You have to make distinction between perception as a process of mind,
    and abilities of detecting forces undetectable by our human bodies.

    > So far, no religion that I am aware of has taken advantage of these
    > tools
    > of data acquisition to support any of their claims about life, the
    > universe, or anything else.

    Actually, they have, but the results are meaningfull only from their
    point of view. Religion of science has its own set of perceptions about

    > >If there weren't people who thought from a different point of view,
    > one
    > >that is inspired by intuition, or spark of imagination, the machine
    > of
    > >science would grind to a halt rather quickly,
    > So far, I am fairly well cemented in my own humanist feelings that
    > different points of view, intuitions, and sparks of imagination, are
    > all ubiquitous and expected human responses and capacities. It is
    > (and art), in my humble opinion, that take advantage of these
    > capacities,
    > and religion (and the politics of power) that attempts to thwart
    > them.
    As your opinion, it is respected. I respectfully disagree. Just because
    they have different final goals then either science or art (in most
    cases anyway), that doesn't mean that they always attempt to thwart
    them. Without religion you wouldn't have Bach's music. Without
    politics, you wouldn't have NASA.

    > As for True Paths- the ground is always moving.
    > - Wade

    Exactly. That is why there is no One True Way.

    There are very few man - and they are exceptions - who are able to think and feel beyond the present moment.

    Carl von Clausewitz

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