Received: by alpheratz.cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk id GAA26852 (8.6.9/5.3[ref firstname.lastname@example.org] for cpm.aca.mmu.ac.uk from email@example.com); Tue, 24 Apr 2001 06:58:02 +0100 Message-ID: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:54:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Trupeljak Ozren <email@example.com> Subject: RE: Darwinizing Culture: The Status of Memetics as a Science To: firstname.lastname@example.org In-Reply-To: <2D1C159B783DD211808A006008062D3101745DD7@inchna.stir.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
--- Vincent Campbell <email@example.com> wrote:
> Ooh... stirring up a huge can of worms here!!!
> (BTW, for me, a difference is that science has a non-arbitrary
> to reality in terms of trying to examine questions of causality,
> demonstrable in its effectiveness in providing solutions to problems,
> offering new capacities for human behaviour.)
All of which is true for almost any religion you can shake your
proverbial stick at. As far as I know, no religions have arbitrary
relationship with reality, their examinations of causality can
sometimes be very subtle and elegant, and as I previously stated, they
*do* produce solutions to problems while offering new capacities for
human behaviour (look at my already mentioned example of talibans in
Afghanistan: they solved the problem (solid, material reminder that
there are other religions out there) by ordering soldiers to shoot at
Buddha's (isn't that a new capacity for human behavior? How many people
can brag that they did *that*?;)..)
Admittedly, though, science has a tendency to find truths about the
universe in a far greater quantity then any other religion, thus
offering its followers more power. If one believes that knowledge is
Now, how did that old saying go, about the absolute power, hm?
(I still like being a Morloch, though.)
> > ----------
> > From: Trupeljak Ozren
> > Reply To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2001 7:01 am
> > To: email@example.com
> > Subject: Re: Darwinizing Culture: The Status of Memetics as a
> > --- Scott Chase <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > > Isn't there some sort of virus church BTW (see St.
> > > Dawkin's article in April
> > > 19, 1999's issue of _Time_ magazine, p 52-3 ;))? Not
> > > that this would
> > > implicate memetics as a religion. It's more like a
> > > fad (an intellectual hula
> > > hoop).
> > > >
> > > >--J. R.
> > Check it out on virus.lucifer.com.
> > What is the difference between science and religion
> > anyway? I might be discovering warm water all over
> > again, but both seem to be based on a set of rules of
> > perception that can not be proved within that set, and
> > both have a tendency to be exclusive of each other as
> > much as different religions are exclusive of each
> > other...When I am asking what is the difference, I was
> > asking about the structural ones; obviously science
> > gives us quite a bit more useful tools and toys then
> > religions usualy do...;)
> > N.Sh.Z.
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