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Subject: Re: memes and sexuality/ Gender Bias for Memes
Hi Len, you wrote,
I believe that gender and sexuality are one and the same thing. No person
is a blank slate. Males and females enter the world with gender brains
that are *receptive* to certain memes, *remake* memes in their own sexual
image, and *reject* others.
<< I don 't think gender and sexuality are one and the same thing, though !
Your sexual identity is not always your gender.
See for example the disorder ' genderdysfori ', you can have been born as
a man but you can have all the feelings and characteristics of a female.
In cases like that the male enters the world with a gender brain of the
opposite sexe. Instead of playing with guns the guy likes more playing with
dolls or likes to wear dresses. To be receptive to certain memes would in
those cases be problematic I think. Being a man but having the psyche
of a female, living in an environment which don 't have a clue what you are
going true and don 't forget, it is trying to make a man out of you !!
The remake would only start at a later stage in life. At this point you have
two possibilites, 1) you change sexe due to operations or 2) you stay
" man " but you live your life as a female ( you wear dresses, put make- up
up,... in other words, you become a transvestite.)
And what about a hermaphrodite !?
These are extreme cases, but someone said on this list, you need all
the extremes of data...
Each human has a determining core or center based on male or female
sexuality. There develops a powerful degree of memetic selection based on
on gender along with each person's unique birth characteristics. For each
one of us, beginning at birth, memeplexes build but always on a substrate of
the powerful sexuality genes, hormonal influences, and other determiants.
For Homo sapiens, there is a range of genetic sexual influences with
permutations, and degrees of cross-over in each gender.
<< yes, here you are right though.
But I think you and I have to be aware of the fact which TJ Olney mentioned,
that people can be split into two kinds_ the XX and the XY.
Memetic selection would be based on the gender characteristics XX and XY
and not on male and female sexuality. Being feminine or masculine is IMO
even important than being a man or female in the first place.
In a way the distiction between of what sexe you are and what kind of
gender related memes you use make up your " sexual identity " and in
the end that is part of your personality.
But there is no doubt that certain memes are typically
IMHO a meme is asexual; what gives it a feminine/masculine
identity is the persons individual sexual orientation who incorporates it
into his/her consciousness.
<< Ok, but suppose that a meme is not asexual. Suppose that a meme,
any kind of meme, influences the persons individual sexual orientation,
what than !? Couldn 't that be a " cause " for homosexuality !?
They found a ' gene ' for it, why not a ' meme ' !?
( I have no hidden agenda here !!) just a question.
>It would be interesting if through research we could tease out the purely
>gender-related reasons for male-female differences in their understanding
>and usage of language.
>How would you tease this !?
<< Do you know by any chance 500 female adults !?
No kidding, would 5 give any result !? Just to see that it works !?
What are in your opinion, " suspected male/ female differences " in words !?
( I am, because we are) not that different
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