Re: The Tipping Point

From: Robin Faichney (
Date: Tue Apr 17 2001 - 13:13:47 BST

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    On Sun, Apr 15, 2001 at 04:01:02PM -0500, wrote:
    > On 15 Apr 2001, at 14:49, Robin Faichney wrote:
    > > On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 06:07:41PM -0500, wrote:
    > > Those 'individual grains' of yours are supported by other
    > > grains, > which are supported by others, eventually involving the
    > > entire pile.
    > >
    > > And how, exactly, does that statement of the obvious support your
    > > claim that individual grains are affected by the tipping point?
    > >
    > As all is affected by each, each is in turn affected by all.

    Surely each is directly affected only by its immediate neighbours, and
    the tipping point phenomenon is entirely explicable in terms of such
    direct interactions.
    > > There is a very clear train of causation, not only in the TV itself,
    > > but even in your description, from internal components to picture and
    > > sound. NOT vice versa! I think you'd be wise to drop this metaphor,
    > > Joe.
    > >
    > That is because, unlike the TV, we are dynamically recursive, and
    > feed back (and forward). A TV cannot change the picture sent to it
    > by a camera, but we can take actions which result in perceptual
    > change, just as all perception involves some action.

    So you agree it's not a very good metaphor.

    Robin Faichney
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