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Thank you very much for your interpretation of gender bias in memes, TJ.
Nice to find someone who has given some thought to this subject.
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From: "TJ Olney" <email@example.com>
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: memes and sexuality/ Gender Bias for Memes
> The memetics of gender very much contribute to communication difficulties
> between people of differing gender orientations. You will get much further
> with gender thinking if you make the distinction between gender as a social
> construct (memetically based of course) and sex as a biological one. The
> poles for the english language are then masculine <- -> feminine and not
> male<- ->female.
> What you will find across groups is that there are XY folks who are very
> feminine in their behaviors and XX folks who are very masculine in their
> behaviors. This includes their use of language and attribution of meanings
> words. The problem that arises if we are not careful about the distinction
> is that the central tendencies for XX tend to be feminine and for XY to be
> masculine, and we start to really mix up what has been genetically
> determined, what has been genetically influenced, and what has been
> memetically influenced. There is getting to be some excellent research that
> has helped to tease out these differences. Hormones do matter, but,
> especially with drugs of various kinds, their influences can be drastically
> So few women?
> A strong gender bias exists for peace making vs argumentation. That bias is
> amplified by a cross cultural difference between different English speaking
> countries. Wade and J.R., of course, represents the ultimate masculine
> perspective of "I said it so it must be right, and even if it isn't I can
> defend it." (Which of course has given rise to the sweatshirts that say "If
> a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman there to hear, is he still
> wrong?") It's too bad I've had to put them in my "file with out reading"
> filter, because they both occasionally have very interesting things to say.
> We on the list have no way of knowing whether they are XX or XY, only that
> their verbal behavior represents a very masculine (current epoch) approach
> communication. There are very few intelligent women willing to participate
> in a discussion with that point of view, it conflicts with feminine values.
> Maybe that is why so few self-identified-as-women participate on the list.
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