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From: Robin Faichney <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: Determinism
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:06:04AM +0100, Chris Taylor wrote:
> > > > Freedom is subjective, not illusory.
> > > Agreed.
> > Would a person given a choice, at exactly the same point in time, under
> > exactly the same environmental conditions, with the same orientation of
> > molecules and distribution of charges around their body (incl. nervous
> > system), always make the same choice? [Thereby obeying simple
> > deterministic causality].
> The only way two scenarios can be absolutely identical is if you look
> at one scenario twice. In which case, the same decision would be
> I hope you don't think that's a glib or tricksy answer. I mean it
> absolutely seriously. If everything is the same, then everything will
> be the same.
<< Don 't you think of this in the same way, but I think you miscounted
for the timescale. Time goes on, all the time. Reading the same scenario
would mean that you make the same choise twice, maybe in your book,
but not in mine.
Time between those two readings moved on, the external and the internal
world were than already changed. You may think that you can make the
same choise, but you have not. The environment in which you made your
choise has been changed. You never, never, never,... can make the same
choise twice... or you have to go back in time and start all over again,
and than again, would all be the same as it was as before.... !?
( I am, because we are) not that different
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