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    Hi Scott, et al,

    >From: "Scott Chase" <>
    >Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:52:44 -0800
    >Subject: RE: Fwd: Thinking Like a Chimp
    >Are you perhaps familiar with Jung's Seven >Sermons to the Dead (as found in _MDR_)? All his >talk of pleuroma and creatura confused me at >about the same level as your discussion above (or >is it below?) ;-)
    >P.S.- My email feed ain't so good anymore since >deja made a switch, so I might jump to hotmail or >something else if they're any better.

    Jung got the concepts of Pleroma and Creatura from reading the works of the Gnostics. Gregory Batson got them from reading Jung.

    In GENERAL there are TWO (!) worlds of explanation. However there is a catagorisation process going on such that the qualities of these two worlds vary as you drill down (and these differences (!) lead to the re-catagorisation of the general one:many distinctions). Thus you can map these distinctions and their derivatives as:

    (0) The ONE ------ The MANY

    (1) Pleroma ------ Creatura
    (2) Creatura ------ Sentiens
    (3) Sentiens ------ Humana

    have seen this extended to:

    (4) Humana ------- Society
    (5) Society ------ Theater

    In GENERAL the ONE has an object bias, the MANY a relational bias.

    From the perspective of level (1) Pleroma favours a SAMENESS emphasis whereas Creatura favours a DIFFERENCE emphasis however there is a hidden element that lead to the expression of ONE, thus there is an IMPLICIT development path that forces a contraction, a gathering of bits n pieces (differences) that become the expression of 'Pleroma' (sameness) etc etc This path comes FROM the MANY to the ONE. Once the ONE is expressed so all of its energy pours out back into the MANY but at a different level.

    As you zoom-in on the MANY so we cut out an element to become the SINGLE context which is used as the referenced point, the KEY, within which we analyse the associated harmonics we find in the MANY.

    Thus at level (2) SENTIENS deals with the DIFFERENCES within the now SAMENESS of CREATURA but at (3) SENTIENS deals with SAMENESS (the ONE) within which is the DIFFERENCES of Humana etc etc

    All humans live in a subset of Pleroma and think/experience in a subset of Creatura and so on....

    From the neurological level (-1 :-)) Object thinking emphasises self-containment and the ONE. IT is like the mind of a child, single context, literal minded. It is also like the reference beam in a hologram, it sets the SINGLE context, the frame of reference, the mode of interpretation. Being the ONE means asserting the context which leads to identifying MEANING. The ONE favours clarity and has an archetypal emphasis. The MANY favours re-identifying, using highs and lows to bring out an aspect (harmonics analysis) and as such the MANY is the source of DIFFERENT meanings DEPENDING ON THE CONTEXT. (Note that in all of this each ONE as an individual is DIFFERENT as well as SAME. Again it is CONTEXT that determines where you are coming from :-))

    Western thinking (and music) has a scale system that senses harmonics in the form of dyads, triads etc. My emphasis to Joe is that he believes that universally there are trichotomies, my point is that the octave, a dichotomy, is primary and you cannot have distinctions of trichotomies etc without a dichotomy to start with (and move on through --- the systems of categorisations that favour threes seem to lack precision in that the path is in twos, fours, eights etc etc IOW bifurcations but not qualitatively 50/50, a branching from a trunk is a dichotomy but the branch can be qualitative different from the trunk! this reflects 1:manyness.)

    All harmonics analysis comes out of the MANY, where changing scale sets one element as the ONE; thus dichotomous analysis, trichotomous analysis, X-otomous analysis... BUT the root is in bifurcations -- di-cho....

    You may need to read this (and my other posts) SLOWLY and MORE THAN ONCE since I pack in a lot :-) even my websites cannot contain it all (2 x 5Mb) :-)



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