From: Chris Lofting (
Date: Tue 16 May 2006 - 16:21:50 GMT

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    > Of Jerry Bryson
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    > On May 16, 2006, at 10:40 AM, Chris Lofting wrote:
    > > Mimicry is built-in to the neurology that we share with other life
    > > forms,
    > > but a major difference between us and our monkey cousins is they cannot
    > > detect MIME - we can where that detection reflects the development of
    > > our
    > > imagination from our complex neurology.
    > How do we know they can't?

    Dehaene, S., et al (eds) (2005)"From Monkey Brain to Human Brain" MITP

    > >
    > > Thus there is a scale of development of 'mirror neurons' that
    > > ultimately
    > > transcend all life forms bar us.
    > So, how do we do it?

    Increased neural complexity - see above book or the particular paper in it:

    Rizzolatti, G., & Buccino, G., (2005)"The Mirror Neuron System and its Role in Imitation and Language" IN Dehaene et al pp213-234

    > >
    > > That takes us into the IMAGINATION of meaning; we see more than is
    > > there in
    > > the first place.
    > Imagination allows us to "fill in the gaps, and to remove the
    > graininess of the image from our irises. Seems reasonable that other
    > animals do it, too.
    > >
    > > The set of basic behaviours such as mimicry is 'built in' to our
    > > general
    > > methodology of meaning derivation/communication. What makes a
    > > difference is
    > > the development of sense of self where that development follows on from
    > > birth and is detectable through identification of the development of
    > > emotions that need a sense of self to be 'meaningful'.
    > Animals look like they do that, too. a bug demonstrates fear.

    The BASIC emotions are what we share with other life forms rooted in fight/flight. I refer to Plutchiks set:

    Anger Love(sex) Acceptance Surprise Anticipation Rejection Grief Fear

    The development of a sense of 'self' allows for the emergence of finer forms of emotion DEPENDENT UPON that developed sense of self. New borns etc don't have it. A ref:

    Keenan, J.P., Wheeler, M.A., & Ewers, M., "The neural correlates of self-awareness and self-recognition" pp166-179 IN Kircher, T., & David, A.,
    (Eds) (2003) "The SELF in Neuroscience and Psychiatry" Cambridge UP.


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