From: Chris Lofting (
Date: Tue 16 May 2006 - 16:01:39 GMT

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    > Tuesday, May 16, 2006, 3:40:39 PM, Chris Lofting wrote:
    > > Mimicry is built-in to the neurology that we share with other life
    > forms,
    > > but a major difference between us and our monkey cousins is they cannot
    > > detect MIME - we can where that detection reflects the development of
    > our
    > > imagination from our complex neurology.
    > I won't pretend to have understood much of what followed but I will
    > say this: I don't see any reason why memetics should be either
    > necessarily linked to meaning or confined to human culture.

    I never said it was. In fact I made direct reference to issues of mimicry with monkeys as compared to the use of mime in humans.

    In fact the focus is on ALL neuron-dependent life forms (at least) where they all share a common source of meaning derived from self-referencing. What is self-referenced? In neuron-dependent life forms it is the dichotomy of WHAT/WHERE that is a specialist form of differentiating/integrating.

    Out of that self-referencing comes categories/qualities included in which is a range of particular categories rooted in mimicry/reproduction (and so associated with sex and so physical replication as with the mental forms of replication)

    The main focus with this form of copying is in context-replacement, a focus on 'betterment' by replacing something. This is a cooperative form of replacement, there is also the competitive form expressed through eradication.

    These two forms of replacement correlate with the generic emotional behaviours of anger and sex.... and so why anger and sex share the same space and how it is easy to slip from one into the other.

    Emotion stems from a specialist dichotomy - fight/flight - where the elements of the dichotomy contain characteristics of the general differentiate/integrate dichotomy (and in doing so reflect positive/negative feedback dynamics)

    Given the neuron reflects a very successful adaptation to the environment, so any form of communication other than that sourced in neurology should reflect the same adaptation to differentiating/integrating for it to be successful.


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