From: Wade Allsopp (email@example.com)
Date: Thu 04 May 2006 - 22:38:05 GMT
You claim that "a pattern is always information". I'd claim that information
is always a pattern, but not all patterns constitute information.
Although there are differing views of how information might be defined, the
concept is generally assumed to involve some conscious mind. A pattern does
not I think have such implications. A crystal is a pattern of atoms whether
or not there is anyone around to comment on the fact. If you want to claim
that all memes are information then you have to use quite an uncommon
definition of information.ie that information is any represented pattern.
if you do use this concept of information it would seem to rule out objects
in themselves as counting as memes. I'm not sure that this is correct. I'd
say that physical wheels for example are memes as well as informational
representations of wheels.
On 04/05/06, Robin Faichney < firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> Thursday, May 4, 2006, 5:59:25 PM, Wade wrote:
> > The way I see it, the fundamental concept is that of "pattern".
> Information is more fundamental. A sequence of bits might be random or
> patterned, but a pattern is always information. A genuine
> understanding of the fundamentals of memetics will require a full
> understanding of the relationships between mind, matter, information,
> causation and other such phenomena. That's what I'm working on. Of
> course I might be hopelessly over-ambitious, but the way I see it,
> somebody has to do it!
> Best regards,
> Robin mailto: email@example.com
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