Re: Culture's effect on Genetics

From: Scott Chase (
Date: Wed 15 Feb 2006 - 11:21:43 GMT

  • Next message: Derek Gatherer: "Re: Culture's effect on Genetics"

    >From: Derek Gatherer <>
    >Subject: Re: Culture's effect on Genetics
    >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:23:32 +0000
    >So who is supposed to be descended from Abraham's first wife, the one he
    >expelled from his tent with Ishmael? I realise that the modern term Semite
    >is a reference to Shem, but I thought the implication of the Genesis story
    >was that the Arabs are Ishmaelites? (and do they not claim to be so based
    >on the Koran?)
    How long have Arabic beduin been roaming the deserts of Arabia? Do they predate Ishmael?

    The Ka'aba had pre-Muslim pagan roots, though it may have some ahistorical mythology surrounding it now. How long had people been making pilgrimages there before the advent of Islam or the story of Ishmael?

    The post-Muhammed Arabs did a bit of travel so I'd assume their genetic (and ideological influence) had extended across Africa into Spain and certainly into Palestine/Israel. Sure Jews and Arabs should be more closely related given their geographic proximity on so called Biblical times. The Diaspora and the Arab conquest are events that must muddy the picture a bit. In what is now Israel and the occupied territories there are people self-identifying as Arab who could have ancestors that are Jewish and converted to Islam or Christianity. But there's gotta be some who descended from Arabs who migrated from the region now known as Saudi Arabia too. Not sure if they all actually stem from Ishmael.

    =============================================================== This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing) see:

    This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.5 : Wed 15 Feb 2006 - 11:43:13 GMT