From: Chris Taylor (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu 09 Feb 2006 - 00:51:04 GMT
Why are those who have the ability to put stuff on the web
afraid? Presumably a number of them maintain or have accounts on
servers that would be extremely difficult to assign to them.
Does the embracing of the web by particular islamist groups
bestow some sort of extra geek kudos on them, able to trace the
Btw I get why major sites with identifiable bricks and mortar
assets wouldn't touch this, but nonetheless I don't actually get
why that picture isn't plastered across the net.
Wade Allsopp wrote:
> On 2/8/06, Douglas Brooker wrote:
>>latest story at the guardian.co.uk is that the original paper in Denmark
>>is joining up with the Iranian paper that's having a holcaust cartoon
>>contest - they're hoping to publish the winning entries jointly.
> That's an interesting development. British TV showed an example of
> one of these "holocaust" cartoons 2 days ago published by the Arab
> European League. A picture of Anne Frank in bed with Adolph Hitler and
> another denying the holocaust took place.
> The matter seems to have metamorphasised from a test of the principle
> of free speach by an obscure Danish newspaper following the viist to
> the Middle East by Ahmad Abu Laban of the Islamisk Trossamfund and
> Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the Danish-based European Committee for
> Prophet Honouring. along with some supporters who took along a 43 page
> dossier including the cartoons and some considerably more provocative
> I presume what their underlying intention was was to help isolate the
> muslim population in Denmark from the native population which of
> course they have managed to do in spades.
> I'd say that publishing Holocaust cartoons will just further this
> isolation as I think the reaction of most Westerners will be: Hold on
> a minute: publishing a cartoon that suggests that there is a link
> between Islam and terrorism (especially in the context of having daily
> images of islamic extremists blowing 30-50 fellow muslims up with
> suicide bombs or beheading aid workers, and the historic Muhammad
> himself being a pretty accomplished warrior ) isn't quite in the same
> category as denying the fact that Hitler killed 6 million Jews or
> advocating the Israel should be wiped off the face of the Earth.
>>From the perspective of memetics I think one needs to look at the
> whole Islam memecomplex and in particular the protective strength to
> the religion given by thehypersensitivity to criticism aspects of the
> The wikipedia article referenced above has both the original 12 prints
> and a link to the 43 page dossier that was put together to stir things
> up - though for some reason, someone is suggesting that the latter
> should be deleted from wikipedia.
> In answer to Tonie Putter I'd say that actually the difficulties for
> many people actually seeing the photos is perversely helpful in
> spreading the meme. The cartoons are themselves pretty innocuous and
> it's probably more difficult to get wound up about them without seeing
> them . My guess is that its even more tricky for the average
> demonstartor in the Midle East to see them and that most of the people
> who have lost their lives in attacks on Embassies etc never actually
> got to see the cartoons they were supposed to be offended by.
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