From: Chris Taylor (email@example.com)
Date: Thu 02 Feb 2006 - 21:38:02 GMT
Interesting instance that. I can imagine that geometric forms
would not be hard to have preset as 'primitives' to build with,
sort of ~memetic quarks or something. The visual cortex has all
sorts of geometric stuff built in to its processing abilities
(just press on your eyelids to see the effects, or drop heroic quantities of some halucinogenic substance [hmm, tricky]).
So we'd have the sort of Karl Sims discovery of coordination in
movement, and some basic patterns laid into, no actually if the
geometric stuff _is_ there in the visual cortex and presumably
other parts have structure maybe that could be linked to the
generation of such primitives in the 'higher' bits of the brain.
Hmm. The important aspects of a face (which there seems to be
some grounds to suspect we are predisposed to 'like' seeing in
some respect) are the eyes and mouth making a triangle...
Interesting. I hadn't thought about what the mind might be
seeded with as sort of 'ab initio conditions', like the first
beat of a heart. And of course presumably all sensory experience
will impact that, in the womb and onwards. Hmm.
Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kenneth Van Oost <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> To: <email@example.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:17 AM
> Subject: Fw: Sticky Memes/ to Chris
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Chris Taylor <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>>>>To my mind there are two important meme sources for this, which
>>>>are (1) memes modelled from experience of the world ('proper'
>>>>memes) and (2) memes that pop into existence as a result of
>>>>experience alone, whether of the world, or of your sensory
>>>>experience of yourself. I imagine low-level (pre)motor programs
>>>>that are in essence (i.e. in 'substance') the equivalent of the
>>>>memes in your forebrain, but they live elsewhere and differ
>>>>somehow; memes that involve imagined action are somehow picked
>>>>up by premotor resident patterns (some sort of resonance is the
>>>>best I can offer) and passed on to become motor instructions.
>>>>Why couldn't the way to touch thumb to forefinger be a 'motor
>>>>meme' (abusing the meme name cos these things wold never be
>>>>copied -- like comparing email ('proper' memes) to machine code
>>>Science writes that ' spatial insight ' is an inborn thread.
>>>The Munduruku do not have words in their language to express
>>>geometric forms. To find their way in the woods surrounding them
>>>they do not use maps where with they could train their ability
>>>for spatial and geometric insight in the first place.
>>>In several tests it became clear that even without the proper
>>>definitions for geometric forms and spatial insight 66,8% knew
>>>what the answers were, what is more than 16,6 % higher than
>>>that the guys were just guessing away.
>>>The investigators speculate that knowledge about geometric
>>>concepts can be aproved by cultural mediums, like maps, but
>>>that a basic form is inbedded in the architecture of the human
>>>Would be the latter the ' pop-up- memes' and the former the
>>>proper ones !?
>>>If so, how would this relate to what we know now !?
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