Fw: Sticky Memes/ to Chris

From: Kenneth Van Oost (kennethvanoost@belgacom.net)
Date: Mon 30 Jan 2006 - 08:17:41 GMT

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    ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Van Oost <kennethvanoost@belgacom.net> To: <memetics@mmu.ac.uk> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:12 PM Subject: Re: Sticky Memes/ to Chris

    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Chris Taylor <chris.taylor@ebi.ac.uk>
    > >
    > > To my mind there are two important meme sources for this, which
    > > are (1) memes modelled from experience of the world ('proper'
    > > memes) and (2) memes that pop into existence as a result of
    > > experience alone, whether of the world, or of your sensory
    > > experience of yourself. I imagine low-level (pre)motor programs
    > > that are in essence (i.e. in 'substance') the equivalent of the
    > > memes in your forebrain, but they live elsewhere and differ
    > > somehow; memes that involve imagined action are somehow picked
    > > up by premotor resident patterns (some sort of resonance is the
    > > best I can offer) and passed on to become motor instructions.
    > > Why couldn't the way to touch thumb to forefinger be a 'motor
    > > meme' (abusing the meme name cos these things wold never be
    > > copied -- like comparing email ('proper' memes) to machine code
    > Chris,
    > Science writes that ' spatial insight ' is an inborn thread.
    > The Munduruku do not have words in their language to express
    > geometric forms. To find their way in the woods surrounding them
    > they do not use maps where with they could train their ability
    > for spatial and geometric insight in the first place.
    > In several tests it became clear that even without the proper
    > definitions for geometric forms and spatial insight 66,8% knew
    > what the answers were, what is more than 16,6 % higher than
    > that the guys were just guessing away.
    > The investigators speculate that knowledge about geometric
    > concepts can be aproved by cultural mediums, like maps, but
    > that a basic form is inbedded in the architecture of the human
    > brain.
    > Would be the latter the ' pop-up- memes' and the former the
    > proper ones !?
    > If so, how would this relate to what we know now !?
    > Regards,
    > Kenneth

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