Re: Sticky Memes/ to Chris

From: Kenneth Van Oost (
Date: Sun 29 Jan 2006 - 20:12:23 GMT

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    > To my mind there are two important meme sources for this, which
    > are (1) memes modelled from experience of the world ('proper'
    > memes) and (2) memes that pop into existence as a result of
    > experience alone, whether of the world, or of your sensory
    > experience of yourself. I imagine low-level (pre)motor programs
    > that are in essence (i.e. in 'substance') the equivalent of the
    > memes in your forebrain, but they live elsewhere and differ
    > somehow; memes that involve imagined action are somehow picked
    > up by premotor resident patterns (some sort of resonance is the
    > best I can offer) and passed on to become motor instructions.
    > Why couldn't the way to touch thumb to forefinger be a 'motor
    > meme' (abusing the meme name cos these things wold never be
    > copied -- like comparing email ('proper' memes) to machine code


    Science writes that ' spatial insight ' is an inborn thread. The Munduruku do not have words in their language to express geometric forms. To find their way in the woods surrounding them they do not use maps where with they could train their ability for spatial and geometric insight in the first place. In several tests it became clear that even without the proper definitions for geometric forms and spatial insight 66,8% knew what the answers were, what is more than 16,6 % higher than that the guys were just guessing away.

    The investigators speculate that knowledge about geometric concepts can be aproved by cultural mediums, like maps, but that a basic form is inbedded in the architecture of the human brain. Would be the latter the ' pop-up- memes' and the former the proper ones !? If so, how would this relate to what we know now !?



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