Re: Me against the meme

From: Kenneth Van Oost (
Date: Thu 03 Nov 2005 - 19:52:02 GMT

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    ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Chase <>
    > This is a byproduct of a genetic, structural,
    > or behavioral incompatibility arising over time when
    > two groups are geographically isolated, not a species
    > saying: "You know I'm going to go out into this world
    > and stake a claim for me and my kind" like the
    > legendary architects of some struggling nation.

    <<Hm, can 't really agree Scott ! What the other species than the human kind are concerned, I agree, but individuals and communities set in for a higher unity of socialisation and further cultural develop- ment. In the heart of every individual beats freedom and the magic of self- bildung can set him totally free. He may be attached to certain social/ cultural doctrines in order to survive_ and to retrieve his freedom from_ but he will go out into this world and stake the claim. In the process he may need help from a personal god or of the promise of immortality, he may need symbols to go by and over, he will need
    ( self)-knowledge, morality, introspectives,friends and a family to convey his thoughts. But it will hold no monopoly of truth. His truth is the one he holds within and that's himself. I claim that, as being an individual I can go out into this world and take a convenient part of the truth. I will determinate myself, thank you !

    As for communities, we don 't have to be vague or obscure about it, the US is going out into this world and takes the place it needs for its people. No part of its nature will be denied and this tendency arises from the acceptance of its own claim. Moreover, this thought can 't be divorced from its history ( and destiny), it continuous with it, influencing it and is influenced by it. The American thought about freedom/ democracy/ morality will re- order the social/ cultural and political aganda of the world. Their ideas about self- determination can lead to a general or permanent conflict, can lead to fanaticism or moral intolerance or anger, but the will for being self- determinant will result in a kind of self- accep- tance.

    There is a deep productive tension as in an individual as in any society to be self- determinant, expressing itself intensively and to outgrow him- self. That this has become a frustrated dualism I have no doubt, but many will continue to develop themselves of itself as a person/ nation.



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