Re: changing subject a bit

From: Chris Taylor (
Date: Thu 29 Sep 2005 - 09:06:03 GMT

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    Dog blog :)

    *arf* *arf*

    Okay then in the spirit of combining the facts that (1) nature abhors a vacuum and that (2) the emptier the vessel the louder the sounds that eminate (so logically vacuums are raucous things
    -- certainly my Dyson is noisy bugger)...

    What about this (semi-related to the expectations point): If I tell you that something is possible despite having no knowledge either way, then, having previously abandoned all attempts, you try with renewed vigour (because you believe that I 'know' it is possible) to do it, with success, I (memeplex, obviously) have created a niche that (internal) memes have
    'filled'. This is some sort of surface/pheno copying (but _all I had_ was a surface, cowboy-film-town-style); the existence of that surface patently doesn't help in achieving the solution as such; so some sort of selective/recombinatory parameter shift has occurred to allow you to arrive at a solution that was previously inaccessible (due presumably to loss-cutting through some sort of Charnovian Marginal Value Theorem thingy blended with some Wright-style landscape stuff). So what is changed in you by my feeding you a 'placebo' solution?

    Ahem. Anyway back to work.

    Congratulations on moving Vincent.

    Cheers, Chris.

    Scott Chase wrote:
    > --- Vincent Campbell <> wrote:
    >>Hi Everyone,
    >>After three years of having little to no time to do
    >>anything but teach lots
    >>of limited ability students, I am finally escaping
    >>De Montfort University,
    >>and going up the road to Leicester University, so I
    >>will reappear on the
    >>list under a new e-mail in the next few weeks, but
    >>it'll still be me, and I
    >>hope I'll have more time to add the occasional
    >>comment (and perhaps to read
    >>the growing stacks of memetics books that I've been
    >>gathering but not had
    >>time to read over the last couple of years)
    >>insightful or otherwise (mostly
    >>the latter if my past form is anything to go by).
    > Well aside from a few posts lately, the list has been
    > pretty dead...nothing but cricket chirps. I've been
    > reading stuff that's only marginally related to
    > memetics lately, mostly about the emergence of
    > racialist ideas in pre-Nazi Germany (Haeckel,
    > Chamberlain, and the pro-Aryan Frenchman Gobineau).
    > Other than that I'm raising a puppy. Pretty smart rat
    > terrier. Feisty, opinionated, but has learned several
    > commands really quick. If dogs and wolves have a
    > semblance of culture or at least some social order
    > stuff (pack behavor, dominance hierarchies, etc) I
    > wonder if they pass cultural info between themselves
    > or learn vicariously by observation. My pooch is
    > pretty smart, but I guess her social skills are
    > probably not on par with *most* humans.
    > I do have ideas of what I want her to do in my noggin
    > and shape her behavior using reinforcement to get her
    > behavior to conform to my expectations and thus
    > establish some neural stuff in her noggin that is
    > gradual and cumulative. Hopefully in her eyes I'm the
    > pack leader, but I'm not too sure about that. Trying
    > not to get too anthropomorphic, I think she's
    > apparently got stuff in her noggin she wants me to do
    > for her and uses whining and barking in attempt to get
    > a response out of me, but I'm not having it. Maybe
    > she's trying to get my behavior to conform to her
    > expectations, whatever those are. Maybe she's trying
    > to, being a *terrier*, establish herself as pack
    > leader or is just plain stubborn.
    > Through training dogs can learn a whole bunch of stuff
    > and can be quite impressive in the way they grasp
    > commands and develop a repertoire. Not quite memetic,
    > but there's some cognitive stuff going on and
    > definitely some operant conditioning, so it is kinda
    > fascinating. If a dog was augmented in their learning
    > process by watching another dog perform a trick and
    > get rewarded, thus a bit of vicarious reinforcement,
    > wouldn't this be in part a semblance of imitation? I
    > wonder if dogs tend to learn better in obedience
    > classes by observing the behavior of other dogs. OTOH
    > maybe it's the owners who benefit more directly, if
    > inexperienced, by learning from the people running the
    > class, which itself might be memetic. Thus maybe the
    > info that the dogs grasp to obey commands isn't as
    > memetic as the info passed between their owners or
    > gained by their owners via other means, like reading
    > books or watching videos on dog training.
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