From: Kate Distin (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Tue 31 May 2005 - 16:19:17 GMT
Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> Welcome back !
> Ray, you can also say that you have literally ' objectified ', although
> a stick is an object _ we forget so easily that the name we gave to that
> wooden object is an agreed upon sign for a whole set of complex
> meanings/ experiences/ expectations/ etc.
> The mental representation, what is a foggy element, is an ' objectified
> picture ' of what the stick is all about, can mean, represent, what kind
> of experience we can drag out of it. Even the colours of it are in
> principle objectified elements_ the stick must be brown or black
> or anyway show / represent the strenght/ intelligence/ competence of
> the holder. If it were pink and flossy we would consider it as being
> a childsplay, or of plastic, not real, not competitive.
> Memes, than, can we say that they are ' objectivations ' of what they
> stand for !? Highly speculative, I know, but if Kate is right, a repre-
> sentation of a stick in our mind is just an illusive proces, an objecti-
> vation would give it ' substance ', we should could ' feel ' the stick,
> have a ' hold '...
> Smail on pg 84, ' Like some critics of our modern society already
> have noted, the therminology of the objectivity forces us to see our-
> selves as butts or owners of objectified forces [ memes !?] which
> lead a life on their own within oursleves '.
> The concept of Speech Acts ( Austin) springs to mind, even Smiths
> Performance scheme looks around the corner.
> Representation or objectivation all boils down to words, VERBS,
> and their over time changed conception, if you can 't do something
> equals nowadays of you having a problem; wanting something becomes
> having a need; working the stick is having strenght, being the man, show
> What is ever said in our daily social intercourse is never the truth, but
> an objectified ( represented ?) charateristic of something ' real '.
> Memes propagate thus then by how hard/ how fidel they can objectify
> of what they stand for.
Kenneth - I'm struggling to get hold of the distinction you're making
between objectification and representation. Could you say a bit more
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