From: Kate Distin (email@example.com)
Date: Mon 16 May 2005 - 08:06:57 GMT
Kenneth Van Oost wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kate Distin <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> I am trying to catch up,
> you wrote,
>>Clearly there is a difference between the blue tit first learning to
>>peck, and then learning where that behaviour might again be useful. But
>>this doesn't make it obvious to me that one sort of learning is
>>disqualified from being memetic (actually I don't think either example
>>is memetic, but that's not the point). Why should information about
>>where to apply a skill be any different from information about how to
>>acquire that skill, or information about anything else for that matter?
>> It's all information.
> << Yes, indeed it is, but would it matter where I should apply the skill
> learned to kill people with car- bombs, than it would matter how and
> where I learned it !?
> It is all information but the former would be more important to you
> if you lived in the States of the present date, than you should be aware
> that the skill can be learned in some hot forgotten corner of Afghanistan.
> Neither of both parts of information are really important to me, believe
> me, living in the outskirts of Ghent ( Belgium), but the info about why
> people are willing to acquire such skills and why they pick specific
> targets is, being part of a memetic group. It is important to the memetic
> lay- out of my interest to indulge myself in such a kind of information,
> but again, where to apply it and how to acquire it is of no importance,
> untill something happens of course, to me.
> It is of importance for a teacher of Kung- Fu or karate to know why
> a pupil wants to acquire the skills, both being rather a way of life than
> they are in the real sense sports.
> In such a case the information is different of the one holding the key
> of how to acquire the skill.
> If the kid wants to get rid off a rival in order to get laid, the teacher
> will reject his application to join the club.
I agree with you that information can be more or less relevant depending
on the circumstances - or to put it another way the memes will be more
or less successful in gaining/retaining human attention depending on the
context. Also, as you imply, there is a moral element to the choices we
make about which information we act on.
I think this ties in with my view that the thing that marks out memes is
not how they are replicated (imitation or otherwise) but something about
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