Re: Object lesson in email bloat (Modified by John Wilkins)

From: Chris Taylor (
Date: Wed 27 Apr 2005 - 09:55:22 GMT

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    Hiya. The marvellous not-so-little book in which that concept, plus the classical biological concept and a couple of others are descibed (in a piece by Alan Templeton) is:

    Otte, D. and J.A. Endler (editors). 1989. Speciation and its Consequences. Sinauer Associates, Sunderland, Mass. 670pp

    Well worth a browse -- as I recall more or less all the pieces were interesting, including some good stuff on Aussie crickets (but intriguingly, not Aussie cricketers) that extended the notion of parapatric speciation. I'm struggling now though -- its a long time since I had a copy to hand.

    Fyi my interest started with an undergraduate dissertation on speciation and ended up being a Ph.D. I can forward either if you like (for the various references rather than the, er, quality of the writing, especially in the undergrad dissertation...). But I was more focused on speciation mechanisms than species concepts (although obviously one has to pick a concept to study the mechanisms). Btw nice monkey ;)

    Cheers, Chris.

    Chris Taylor wrote:
    >> ...
    >> There is also a community of people that are trying to keep Latin up
    >> to date! This is a weird thing that may have no direct analogue in
    >> animal biology as funny animal hybrids can't walk / eat / think as a
    >> rule; but perhaps plants can throw us a bone here so to speak? The
    >> notion of a defined species in plants is much less useful as there
    >> tend to be gradations between apparent 'species' that bridge gaps
    >> either through interleaving (ho ho ho) of bits of genomes keeping n =
    >> 2 or whatever, or just adding genomes (hexaploid bread wheat, maize
    >> etc.); hence the biological species definition is less useful and we
    >> have to look at the inclusive species concept or something like that.
    >> And importantly the hybrids can represent a species in themselves.
    >> Something you kind of see in animal ring species but only in a limited
    >> way, and certainly you don't see summation of genomes in animals if
    >> there is even a sniff of recombination (phasmids do it, but not much
    >> else? Scott help me out here as you may be the most widely-read guy in
    >> the world...).
    > Chris
    > Can you give me some reference to this "inclusive species concept"?
    > Species concepts is my thesis topic, presently being revised for
    > publication, and I have never come across it. Your help would be
    > appreciated.
    > John

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