From: Chris Taylor (email@example.com)
Date: Sat 09 Apr 2005 - 17:33:44 GMT
Now _this_ is the fundamental issue that underlies all (virtually) that
I spew into this forum: I understand that the common usage of 'meme'
follows those rules exactly, and in essence dwells in the sociological
sphere if you like; but then we keep blurring into patterns in heads and
all that and it is never clear who understands/means what by what they
I'd like to see two things: the first is a clear demarcation between on
one hand the phenomenological modelling of persistent patterns in society, and on the other hand the way minds work, which is the second thing that I think we could be addessing here (although this is only superficially similar to memetics as the brain is not a collection of phene-copying Lamarckian people, it is a massively-interconnected analog computer) I would assert mind is a microcosm of society in a sense (but not a completely literal one, just another useful analogy). But we need to get shot of these mystery high-level black boxes in the mind doing complex processing (excluding i/o stuff like visual processing).
Something that may throw light on this, and which, by luck is
semi-germane, is the source of novelty; which is mostly the
thought-experiment-remixing of existing ideas' bits, plus error (which
is rarely a good thing). That is very much something that only happens
in minds really. Which as I say throws a small light on some of the
kinds of mechanisms we need to think about.
Bill Spight wrote:
> Dear Kenneth,
>> But what if the individual ( personal) memeset is working totally on its
>> own, with no outside connection or attachment !?
>> What then !?
> Then we do not have memes, because memes are cultural.
> This was distributed via the memetics list associated with the
> Journal of Memetics - Evolutionary Models of Information Transmission
> For information about the journal and the list (e.g. unsubscribing)
> see: http://www.cpm.mmu.ac.uk/jom-emit
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