From: Kenneth Van Oost (email@example.com)
Date: Fri 08 Apr 2005 - 18:47:40 GMT
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From: Scott Chase <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> I'm thinking that Durkheim believed that socifacts had
> emergent properties, where collective representations
> are more than a sum of individual representations.
> This might be a little vague, but he might have looked
> at collective phenomenon as resulting from the way
> individual phenomenon were arranged or organized.
> There's a danger of vitalism when one takes holism to
> extremes though.
This boils down to my own long time hobby- horse_ we look at
the wrong marker !
With what we end(ed) up with [ the collective represented behavior/
gesture/ performance/ word/ etc_ which thus apparently has been
selected and evolves, and what is represented as Darwinian evolution]
in IMO the wrong marker.
The individuak, yet straighted by society over a serious amount of time,
is the object we have to look at NOT what is collectively represented
as the proper behavior to follow; the right gesture to make; the neat word
PC is a collective represented ( wanted) form of living together, NOT the
will of all individuals involved.
This boils down I know into a paradox_ Darwinian evolution/ selection
paradigma's are involved ( the majority of the population is all for PC, so
the rest must comply willingly or fight back in proper yet selected ways)
where IMO, no Darwinian ( internal) process is needed to come to a
conclusion ( for the individual)_ where thus a memetic ( Darwinian- like)
proces is pre- supposed in the mind to set memes apart ( for or against
PC) to get to the initial point.
But what if the individual ( personal) memeset is working totally on its
own, with no outside connection or attachment !?
What then !?
What if collectiviness is just a result of how individual stances were
arranged and organized !?
Darwinian processes of selection and evolution would be involved,
but were to be NOT the motor behind the scheme !?
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