From: Kate Distin (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Wed 23 Mar 2005 - 11:47:43 GMT
Bill Spight wrote:
> Dear Kate,
> I'm still a bit unsure of what you mean, but it seems that the
> blueprint, which represents the same thing that the idea does, is not,
> strictly speaking, a representation of the idea. No? Both are memes,
> and, in fact, different forms of the same meme, since they represent the
> same thing?
Yes - both are representations of the same portion of information.
> Since you are talking about mental representations, I thought you might
> be talking about prototypes or schemata. The details might pertain to
> the how of replication. Many people, including Kant, Piaget, Bartlett,
> and Sowa, have defined 'schema' in different ways. To quote myself in a
> college paper about Piaget:
> 'Schema' may loosely be defined as an internal representation of a
> class of entities, actions, states or relations. Typical schemata might
> be prototypes (standard examples) or frames (lists of characteristic
> properties). Schemata are organized into hierarchical networks.
I'm not familiar with this work and consequently wasn't being quite this
> I surmise that for you a major way that memes are transferred between
> humans is via instruction. Imitation (learning by observation) would
> be a minor part of memetic transfer, since it relies upon inference. Yes?
I certainly think that Blackmore, for example, makes too much of
imitation - she seems to *define* it in such a way that it's the only
means of memetic transmission, and I don't agree with that.
But I do agree with writers like Richard Byrne and Anne Russon, who talk
about different levels of imitation, some of which are more complex than
others, so I wouldn't dismiss the role of imitation either.
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