From: Kenneth Van Oost (email@example.com)
Date: Sun 20 Mar 2005 - 11:09:43 GMT
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From: Kate Distin <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> I want to say yes, but I'm hesitating because I'm not absolutely clear
> what you mean by "realization" in this context. In my book I have
> talked about memetic representations being realized in different media
> (these words can be realized on a computer screen, on a paper print-out,
> orally, etc.) - so it feels a bit odd for me to say that realizations
> aren't memes.
> I suspect that this is just a symptom of Philosopher's Pedantry, but to
> clarify: I would say a spoked wheel is a phenotypic effect of a meme -
> it is a thing rather than a representation of a thing. I think that
> does make my answer "yes", but let me know!
But to get a clear cut of what is the representation of the thing, don 't
you need the ' pre- existing- info ' about the thing, whatever that might
be, to call what you set under your car ' representations of round things '
!? That spoked wheels are phenotypic effects of a lot of memes, ok, but ain 't got the ' form ' additional ( memetical) info in itself !? And do possess thus, in that respect spoked wheels not ' memes ' !?
Spoked wheels can surely be seen as being realizations, technological
that is, but from my POV they are also representations.
We had here in Belgium about 25 years ago a hype about a certain type
of vest, called Millet. Very expensive stuff.
Those, were ' realized ' I presume in the same way other jackets were
fabricated, but what they represented was totally different.
They stood for richness of those who wore them; they stood for a kind
of sub- cultural aspect of our schooldays; we were somewhat puzzled
by them ( what made them so special); they were even the reason why
kids stole them. The memes we got in those days about those jackets
were trigged by what they ' represent ' not merely why and how they
were ' realized '.
Wear Armani or Lagerfeld, sprinkle yourself with Chanel 5 and people
will get a different idea about you.
Maybe you ' realize ' in wearing the stuff a certain aspect of your perso-
nality, but what they ' represent ' will be, for others, more important.
So wearing Armani is ' not ' the phenotypic effect of the memes for
wearing Armani. This is not in itself memetic, but what wearing Armani
' represent ' is !? Do I get it right !?
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