From: Kenneth Van Oost (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Date: Thu 17 Mar 2005 - 20:50:33 GMT
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From: Kate Distin <email@example.com>
> Memes in the mind - yes. Memes in behaviour and/or artefacts - it
> depends what you mean by "behaviour" and "artefacts": memes in artefacts
> like books and CDs - definitely; memes in spoked wheels (to use one of
> Dennett's examples) - no. Memes, on my view, are fundamentally
> representational, so anything that isn't a representation can't be a
> meme. This turns out to be a key point on which I disagree with Dennett
> and Blackmore in particular, both of whom use a lot of examples based on
> things that I don't see as memes at all. The other major point at which
> our views diverge is their claim that the mind is a meme-complex. I
> think we can have our cake and eat it: that memetics is compatible with
> a conventional view of the conscious human mind.
Maybe you are better off with the performance- model of Wade T.Smith,
although most list members would disagree.
Memes in books and CD's ok, but what Smith proposed ain 't stupid either.
By reading a ( certain) book in a specific surrounding you express each time
a different meme. The meme is in the performance of reading the book.
Every different meme would in that case be represented by a / its different
Shooting the arrow is meaningless unless the performance of shooting is set
in a specific place/ time and for a purpose. And each time an arrow has been
shot for any purpose in any place and time possible a different meme is
added in the memepool. Even in the different ways the bow has been
stretched (different ) memes sprung to the light.
Memes in spoked wheels, no... but you can ' draw ' memes from it, by
talking about them; by taking pictures of it; in trying to figure out how
are fabricated; etc...! Spoked wheels can be representational for a certain
sub- cultural group, for a certain social class and in that case they are
' memes '. Is this clear enough !?
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